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CIC Technical Presentation Stymied by LKQ Threat

4/22/2010 1:12:16 PM

Jason Stahl

Attendees of the Collision Industry Conference (CIC) typically look forward to technical presentations by well-known collision repair instructor Toby Chess due to their hands-on nature and his inclusion of an occasional magic trick. But there was no such presentation at the CIC held last week in Atlanta due to a threat of legal action by LKQ Corporation, the largest nationwide provider of aftermarket collision replacement products, recycled OEM products and refurbished OEM collision replacement products.

Chess was set to follow up on his demonstration at the January CIC in Palm Springs, Calif., where he showed the supposed differences in quality between OEM and aftermarket radiator core supports and bumper reinforcements. Instead, he announced that he could not give the presentation due to the threat of a lawsuit. CIC Administrator Jeff Hendler, who was not happy with the decision, later confirmed that the threat had been made by LKQ.

“I feel like anyone who thinks that something being said at CIC is unjust or unfair ought to have the guts to show up and offer their view on the situation,” Hendler said.

In the January demonstration, Chess showed how an aftermarket bumper reinforcement could be cut through with a Sawzall quite easily but that an OEM bumper reinforcement could not be cut through using the same tool. LKQ, however, claims it conducted the same test after the demonstration and achieved significantly different results.

“We took the part that Toby said would hold up against a Sawzall and cut right through it,” said LKQ spokesperson Sarah Lewensohn. “In the meantime, we crash tested parts he challenged and continue to do testing on rebars and products we took off the shelf because we don’t want to select them if there are concerns about them. We have a quality assurance group in the lab in Michigan, and that’s what they do. We focus on quality every day because that’s our job.”

Lewensohn added, “To cut something with a saw is somewhat theatrical but doesn’t necessarily help people get the correct info. We don’t think a reciprocal Sawzall test is the right kind of test to determine whether or not a rebar is quality. People don’t run into a saw. And don’t you want a Sawzall to work and cut through? After all, that’s what they use to extricate people in an emergency.”

Hendler, however, said Chess’s demonstration did not lie.

“It was very obvious the two parts were not of like, kind and quality if one could be cut with a saw and you couldn’t put a scratch in the other,” he said. “The bottom line is that no one said this was a scientific demonstration. This was a demonstration to forewarn shops that they may not be receiving the parts they think they’re ordering, and that’s all that was ever said.”

There is some debate as to whether a lawsuit had actually been threatened. One industry source said it was important to note there is no current or pending lawsuit, only that there had been an indication that there could be one after an unnamed LKQ representative contacted Hendler prior to the demonstration occuring at CIC.

“We didn’t threaten anyone with a lawsuit,” said Lewensohn. “I know someone from our company spoke to someone involved with that meeting to talk about the importance of people focusing on the facts and not conjecture. The fact is the products we sell are being disparaged in public with misinformation.”

Even if a lawsuit does emerge from this controversy, Hendler doesn’t believe Chess should be worried.

“There is no basis of any shape or form for a lawsuit, as LKQ’s name was never mentioned [during the January technical presentation],” Hendler said. “In fact, no manufacturer or distributor was ever mentioned.”

BodyShop Business contacted Chess for comment, but he did not reply.


More information:

OEM vs. Aftermarket Structural Crash Parts

Keystone Automotive Announces Initial Test Results on Aftermarket Bumper Reinforcement

Pennsylvania Repairers Ask Insurance Commissioner to Intervene in Aftermarket Parts Issue

CRA Continues Campaign Against Untested Aftermarket Bumper Reinforcements

Keystone Automotive Temporarily Halts Sale of Certain Aftermarket Bumper Reinforcements

Are Aftermarket Parts Good or Bad for the Collision Repair Industry?

 

Submit a Comment    Comments (17)
Comment by:
John Meyer
8/11/2010
4:27 PM
No, problem Lee....happy to enlighten you!
 
Comment by:
Lee Amaradio
8/10/2010
5:40 PM
Thanks for the enlightment as to what I'm about. Lee
 
Comment by:
John Meyer
8/10/2010
12:42 PM
Lee you guys are only interested in your own interest. I get it... you want all repair work to go to you and your ASA friends. But just admit it, you are Pro-Automotive monopoly and Anti-Consumer Rights. You oppose the "Right to Repair Act" legislation ensuring the American Public the right to choose how they repair their vehicles.
 
Comment by:
Lee Amaradio
8/10/2010
11:57 AM
The main driver for collision repair should NOT be cost. Safety should always over ride cost. We can cut corners on anything we do but the money saved by substandard repair procedures never goes in the customers pocket but usually bites them in the wallet later on down the road. There is no rebate to the customer for the use of A/M parts but only the subtle deceit that the A/M parts are to save the consumer money. I really don't think anyone with any knowledge of collision repair will buy into that theory, save that one for someone else. Lee
 
Comment by:
Warren J.
8/9/2010
5:15 PM
Hey Lee, you're just upset because you take more money out of your customers pocket when you repair with oem parts. And what's up with your ASA friends in Alpharetta?
 
Comment by:
Lee Amaradio
8/2/2010
8:18 PM
Warren J , Please bring your family vehicle to my shop and I will be happy to replace all of your OEM parts that are installed on YOUR FAMILY's vehicle with the best A/M parts available, NO CHARGE !!!
 
Comment by:
Warren J.
7/30/2010
7:56 AM
Ford is running a dirty marketing campaign here. They want an monopoly on collision parts. There are no incidents of injury or worse from the use of aftermarket parts. Can the oem's say the same. Ford has complaints of airbags deploying when drivers put the key in the ignition! And Toyota... 400K new safety recalls and a history of acceleration issues causing death! Maybe they should get Toby to test their cars off the assembly line!
 
Comment by:
J Armstead
7/29/2010
12:41 PM
It is a shame that many collision shops still defer to the insurer's recommendation to utilize these AM Parts; the quality of which has NEVER BEEN EQUAL to OEM.

As long as insurers are permitted to "direct repairs" without any liability (despite the fact that they policies they sell allow them to either choose to pay in $$'s or fix it themselves), these AM Parts whores/distributors will continue to utilize the threat and intimidation tactics they learned from their insurer "partners."
 
Comment by:
Daniel
7/29/2010
12:27 PM
Ford is launching a marketing campaign that consists of instilling fear in the consumer. Shouldn't they worry about the hundreds of air bags that have deployed causing injury to Ford drivers? Many cars would be totaled after a wreck if more reasonable parts were not available. Safety should be the priority and Ford should lead by example.
 
Comment by:
Aftercrashman
4/27/2010
9:24 PM
It's a disgrace that insurers empower companies like LKQ/Keystone without stepping up to the world and telling everyone that's it all for them and there profit.



How about safety? Joe the instructor stay away from training young minds you haven't a clue as to your number one priority "SAFE" not cheap repairs and why we just don't fix every car out no matter what. Teaching folks to cosmetically hide poor quality workmanship and the use of junk unsafe parts shouldn't be taught in a educational environment we have more then enough pig shops that will gladly show anyone willing to risk other lives for.



As for LKQ/Keystone they should be dragged through the mud and held accountable for what they've done. If there are people along the way have have suffered by what they've sold then those folks should have at them the insurer and the junk part makers.
 
Comment by:
Bill Fowler
4/27/2010
8:58 AM
I should imagine that when a vehicle is repaired with a lot of aftermarket parts, if it is wrecked again, the bumper reinforcement could wind up in the passengers' laps. Wouldn't you need to saw through it to get the bodies out of the car?
 
Comment by:
Watt DeFark
4/27/2010
7:59 AM
Wonder how many times an emergency occurs where the responder has to saw through a bumper reinforcement to extricate passengers from a vehicle...
 
Comment by:
Wade Ebert
4/26/2010
2:41 PM
LKQ spokesperson Sarah Lewensohn - perfect for the job.



"And don’t you want a Sawzall to work and cut through? After all, that’s what they use to extricate people in an emergency."



Priceless. Pure Genius. The safest parts of all are made of Jello. It's a fact - seriously look it up. has anyone ever been hurt by Jello?



These LKQ people are more amusing every day.



“I know someone from our company spoke to someone involved with that meeting..."



Haw haw whoo! Funny. We're an international corporation involved in a major dustup in the press and we - we don't know who made the threatening phone call. Or even that a lawsuit was mentioned. Or that there was even a phone call made at all. In fact we think Aaron, Toby and Jeff made all of that up. Yeah - that's the ticket! They made it up!"



Precious - truly.
 
Comment by:
Bill Fowler
4/23/2010
10:21 AM
It is amazing that the emphasis seems to be put on COST. What about safety? What Mr. Chess' demonstration accomplished was to demonstrate that a STRUCTURAL component of a vehicle is inferior to it's OEM counterpart. Cost isn't even part of the debate.

When pricing a job to a customer where cost is a significant factor, why don't you just try to mention that while the part may be substantially cheaper, it is also substantially weaker and may kill you some day if it doesn't perform like a real part?
 
Comment by:
joe kinch
4/23/2010
9:03 AM
We all know that OEM is the best way to go, BUT,in most cases the owner would like the vehicle repaired at the lowest possible cost, when it's out of pocket. I've been dealing with LKQ and local dealerships for years and have a great repore with both. They both have a place in the collision industry, that should be respected. All of us use LKQ in one way or another, for what ever reason, it's our choice.

Age of vehicle,parts availability,fit, structual integrity ECT. We the technicians must make choices that gets the vehicles repaired and not totaled. Remember the days when there were NO AFTERMARKT? All we had was LKQ the parts, ( not the company )For me most jobs we do at school would'nt get repaired.



Thanks

joe kinch

Collision Technology instructor

Medford voc Tech



 
Comment by:
GORDON HANCOCK
4/22/2010
9:58 PM
For decades the insurance industry has been pushing cheap counterfiet parts down our and our customers throats . The industry has objected to them to no avail. Now a simple demonstration has publicly shown the counterfiets are not the same quality as OEM, and the counterfiet suppliers amd insurers are squirming and howling like stuck pigs. They have even resorted to the lowball tactic of threating law suits to silence the bodyshop industry. My answer to the supplier making the threat is, I WILL NEVER PURCHASE ANYTHING FROM YOUR COMPANY, I would suggest everyone else in the industry do the same.
 
Comment by:
Bill Fowler
4/22/2010
3:44 PM
Let's see now, Toby Chess does his test publicly for all to see and somehow there was some trickery involved that everyone who saw it was too stupid to pick up on. Besides, I know I sleep better at night knowing that if my family is ever in a wreck and the bumper reinforcement need to be cut in half to extricte them, I will be proud to have an aftermarket part on my car so the rescuers can whip out their trusty Sawzall and save the day. The difference in weight thing is all just a big trick too and all the concerns expressed by shops across the country are part of an on-going conspiracy.

Since the profit margin on fake parts is higher than real parts, why would shops object to them? Why wouldn't the greedy, unscrupulous shops support them too and act like they are great and make more money in the bargain?

The best news yet is to hear that LKQ didn't really threaten anybody; it was just some sort of misunderstanding. Now Mr. Chess is free to continue with his tomfoolery without fear of legal repriasal. Afterall, who ever heard of anybody running into a saw? There's absolutely nothing to worry about.
 
 
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